“What’s something that you’re currently struggling with?" 

"Hm..I really can’t think of anything. Life is pretty good right now. My children are doing really well, I have a great family. My kids are older and on their way to college! Well, one of them just completed college and the other one just started. So that’s probably why I’m not struggling.”

“We thought we should do a train trip in China, so we flew to Beijing, then took a train to Harbin. That was in the middle of the winter and I don’t ever want to do that again, especially with 4 children. When we bought the tickets, they didn’t put us together. The guys we were supposed to trade cabins with were smoking and drinking so we couldn’t take the cabin with it smelling like smoke. We ended up having to pay someone else to trade with us just so we could all be together, squeezing all 6 of us in one cabin." 

“How long have you guys know each other?”

“We’ve known each other for a really long time and we’ve been through a lot together. There’s actually a third guy but he’s halfway around the world right now.”

“How did you guys meet?”

“Well we met at the gym, along with the third guy. His name is Brian and he was struggling with the bench press and we just helped him out. The rest is history”

“As you know about the Pakistani story, there is always small war, big war, or not stable moment, no secure future. So we run from there, come here, and take political asylum so we can live a better life, can stay here to make some money, send to my family so they can have a little bit of secure future. When they call you and say

‘We need money.’

and I don’t have money, or I don’t have work, that is the saddest moment.

But all moments when we send money to family, when we talk to them on the phone and say

‘Have you received the money?‘ and they say ‘Yes we have received’, and I ask ‘So what are you going to do with the money?’, and they say ‘I’m going to do this! I’m going to do that!’, that is always the happiest moment.”